Don't Use ExtJS
A couple of years ago I recommended YUI and Ext (formerly
YUI-Ext). I've changed my mind. Don't use Ext at all. The Ext license
has changed four times since its inception, and each time the license
has become more restrictive.
Ext was originally created as an extension to YUI. It was
BSD-licensed, just like YUI. YUI-Ext added several sorely-needed
features to YUI. The most notable additions were a layout system, a
Tree View widget and a Data Grid widget (YUI has since added
each of these, although the YUI widgets are still less flexible than
their Ext counterparts). Eventually support was added for jQuery
and Prototype as well. The team dropped the "YUI-" prefix, and
YUI-Ext became Ext.
Ext 1.0 was relicensed under the LGPL. Although switching from the
BSD license to the LGPL is relatively innocuous, it is still significant
because the LGPL is more restrictive than the BSD license.
Eventually the Ext team changed the license again. The new license was
a custom license that granted conditional LGPL usage rights. Basically
the LGPL usage clauses applied, but only if you weren't trying to
develop a library or an Ext clone.
Confused? Yeah, me too. Here's the text from the old Ext "Open Source
Ext is also licensed under the terms of the Open Source LGPL 3.0 license. You
may use our open source license if you:
- Want to use Ext in an open source project that precludes using non-open source software
- Plan to use Ext in a personal, educational or non-profit manner
- Are using Ext in a commercial application that is not a software
development library or toolkit, you will meet LGPL requirements and you do not
wish to support the project
A lot of open source developers were understandably confused
by this hybrid license. The biggest problem was that it wasn't clear
whether this license was compatible with other Open Source licenses. It
also wasn't clear whether Ext could be legally distributed with Open
Source software, since the license only granted LGPL usage rights, and
not LGPL distribution rights.
To address these complaints, the Ext team changed the license again:
the latest version of Ext is licensed under the GPLv3. This latest
change complicates things quite a bit for many users, as we'll see in
the next section.
The GPL is far more restrictive than the BSD license and LGPL. It is
rarely used for libraries, because the viral clause would effectively
the library from being used for any non-GPL software. In fact, these
problem were addressed over 16 years ago by creating the LGPL:
By 1990, it was becoming apparent that a less restrictive license
would be strategically useful for some software libraries; when
version 2 of the GPL (GPLv2) was released in June 1991, therefore, a
second license - the Library General Public License (LGPL) was
introduced at the same time and numbered with version 2 to show that
both were complementary. The version numbers diverged in 1999 when
version 2.1 of the LGPL was released, which renamed it the GNU Lesser
General Public License to reflect its place in the GNU philosophy.
Who is affected by this change? In no particular order:
- Extension Authors: Older Ext user extensions could be licensed as
the author saw fit. This is no longer true for the latest version
of Ext; new user extensions must be GPL-licensed, because the viral
clause prohibits using Ext with non-GPL licenses.
- Commercial Users: The previous licenses, even the questionable
custom license, allowed Ext to be used in closed source commercial
applications. This is no longer true for the latest version of Ext,
because the viral clause prohibits using Ext with non-GPL commercial
- Non-GPL Open Source Developers: The BSD and LGPL-licensed versions
of Ext could be used with other non-GPL software. This is no longer
true for the latest version of Ext, because the viral clause
prohibits using Ext with non-GPL licenses.
Things get even murkier when you consider linking and distribution.
Does generating a dynamic page count as linking to Ext? Does any public
web application automatically count as distribution? What about
applications which use Ext to and access a common APi, such as a SOAP
endpoint or RSS feed?
These questions were posted in a
thread about the license change on the ExtJS forums.
Here's how Jack Slocum, the primary Ext developer, responded:
page SPECIFICALLY designed for Ext, then that server code will have to
be GPL as well.
Suppose you have an index.php that includes Ext JS. According to the
FSF, in that case index.php would be also under GPL since it is using
ext. Since it must be GPL, it's source must be distributed. Since it
is GPL, the "viral" effect of GPL is now in effect and any thing that
uses index.php (if anything) on the serverside would also fall under
the GPL. (Note: Note this is a pretty gray area)
interacts with Ext JS. That code must also be GPL.
Like MySql and other GPL software the way to use GPL code without
having to license under GPL is to not bundle or distribute the GPL
code with your application. If you instead have the end user
(developer?) download and install ext js on their own, they are then
bound to the license and not you or your software.
For those seeking an FAQ, we have defined and explained some of the
reasoning and license implications under these 2 pages:
It's worth noting that the examples given at the beginning of this
post are just my opinion and it is impossible for us to analyze
everyone's usage and say whether or not someone "complies" with the
GPL. That really is a task for an attorney or even someone with
better knowledge of your application and how Ext JS is used.
In the end, we want Ext JS to be open source friendly and still have
a good business model in place to grow. The old Ext License was not
open source friendly and pretty much killed all options for use in
open source projects. That wasn't our goal so we had to address it.
There are several problems with the statements above. The biggest one
is that the original BSD license and subsequent LGPL license had none of
In other words, the problem the Ext team is trying to fix is one they
created themselves. If that wasn't bad enough, the solution actually
hurts many Open Source developers far more than it helps.
In an attempt to clarify the situation for non-GPL Open Source
developers, I posted several questions in the Ext license thread. I
also created a post on Reddit about the license change and
summarized my questions there:
As of page 8 of the thread on the license change I have yet to receive a
response, simple or otherwise, to any of my comments:
There's this comment:
The new license prevents Open Source software that is using a
license other than the GPL from using Ext. Applications which use
popular Open Source licenses like the LGPL license, BSD license, MIT
license, and the Artistic license would be required to either
re-license under the GPL, carefully design their application to meet
the requirements in your post, use an older LGPL-licensed version of
Ext, or move to another library entirely.
And this one:
What about authors who which to provide their software under a
license that is more permissive than the GPL, such as the MIT or BSD
one, which was directly in response to Jack Slocum, the primary
author of ExtJS:
I can see how switching to a license without exceptions would make
things simpler, but what about those of us who release Open Source
software under non-GPL licenses such as the BSD, MIT, and Artistic
I've been an Ext user since its inception as YUI-Ext, but the fact that
I cannot seem to get a straight answer to a simple question makes me
wary and extremely skeptical.
John Resig, the author of jQuery and Processing.js,
It's important to understand that OSS developers are not their target
audience at all. I'm 100% certain that we'll never get a clear
response. They're using 'open source' as a buzzword selling point to
lure companies in, befuddle them with confusing viral licensing, and
obligate them (through the obvious balking that the corporate lawyers
will do) to get them to buy a full, corporate, license. It's very
sneaky, quite disingenuous, and paints a bad picture for open source
development as a whole.
It's been over three weeks since these this exchange on Reddit. None of
my questions have been answered on the Ext license pages or in the
68-page license thread on the Ext forums.
According to the Ext license page, Ext licensing is based on the
principle of "Quid Pro Quo", or "something for something":
Dual Licensing is based on the principle of Quid Pro Quo -
"something for something". In return for the advantages you realize
from using an Ext product to create your application, we require
that you do one of the following:
Contribute to the continued development of the product by
purchasing commercial licenses from Ext. This option secures you
the right to distribute your application under the license terms
of your choice
Contribute to the Open Source community by placing your
application under an Open Source license (e.g. GPL v3). This
option secures all users the rights to obtain the application's
full source code, modify it, and redistribute it.
The justification for using the GPLv3 instead of the LGPL is addressed
on the Ext license FAQ page:
We considered once again releasing under straight LGPL but it was not
an option as a business. We tried that with version 1.0 and found out
quickly that it enabled others (e.g. large commercial entities) to
take our work, wrap it up and sell it as their own. With no mention of
us at all. We, as a business with a full time team of talented
developers, can not exist under those circumstances. We would quickly
become diluted and competing with ourselves.
The concern about others taking their work and selling it without
attribution is particularly ironic, considering:
- Ext only exists because a large corporation (Yahoo!) decided to
share their hard work under a permissive open source license
- Significant portions of Ext, including the Event
handling code and reset.css, were copied wholesale from YUI
- The Ext object system comes from YUI, which is based on
- Many of the older Ext icons originally came from the
Famfamfam Silk icon set
What do the projects above have in common? That's right, they are all
in the public domain or available under extremely permissive Open Source
The Ext team is certainly entitled to license and sell their software
any way they see fit. However, it is hypocritical and dishonest to
complain about other people taking your work and selling it as their own
when you take other peoples' work and either sell it as your own or
relicense it under an extremely restrictive license.
It is tempting to attribute this entire fiasco to a simple
misunderstanding on the part of Jack Slocum and the Ext team. Here's
what I had to say on Reddit:
It is a bit disconcerting that Ext has such strong roots in existing
Open Source software, and yet the project seems at best partially
indifferent, and at worst, outright hostile to the Open Source
Unfortunately, according to John Resig, this isn't the first time that
there have been problems with the Ext team:
We (the jQuery project) worked hard with them to try and fix bugs
and add features for an ExtJS integration layer. They turned around
and built their own, specialized, library (removing the need for any
of our work) and then mutated the licensing into this bizzaro scheme
that they have now. We can't, in good consciousness, even recommend
their library anymore due to its very nature. On top of this they
ended up hiring our lead evangelist to promote their work. I can't
speak for everyone on the team but I feel quite frustrated and used.
They're providing a great disservice to the Open Source community in
general. They consume with reckless abandon, it's impossible to even
hope to borrow code from them, and they turn it all into a
money-making machine. No aspect of that sits well with me.
Jack Slocum did respond to this comment on a separate blog. He also
wrote a post on his blog. Neither adequately addresses John
Ressig's main points or my questions from the Ext forums, so I won't
bother quoting his mostly vacuous responses here.
To recap, the reasons I recommend against using Ext are:
- A trend towards more restrictive licenses
- Team is unwilling or unable to address licensing issues
- Blatant disregard for other Open Source projects
Some suggestions for the Ext team:
- Release Ext under the LGPLv3, BSD license, or GPLv3 with the
- Provide the Ext artwork and CSS under one of the licenses above,
or one of the Creative Commons attribution licenses
- Update the Ext license FAQ with detailed information about
which Open Source licenses are compatible with Ext, including
specific usage scenarios
- Add a list of Open Source software which Ext has borrowed from to
the license page and to the license information included in
- Put older versions of Ext back on the download page
Finally, here are a list of Ext alternatives. None are as nice as Ext,
but they are all available under permissive licenses and they each have
an active and enthusiastic user community:
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